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					<description><![CDATA[<p>War transforms everything – we are suddenly for or against armies, revolutionaries become soldiers, coalitions monopolize politics, patriotic fervor swells, and the party of order triumphs. When the Russian army invaded Ukraine last week, Putin claimed it was in the name of “denazification,” evoking the important role “anti-fascism” plays in the ideology of the Russian state. In the following text, published in Liaisons’ first book In the Name of the People, a friend from the region offers an account of revolutionaries involved in the 2014 Maidan uprising in Ukraine, along with considerations about the particular history of Russian “anti-fascism.” Our</p>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size"><em>War transforms everything – we are suddenly </em>for <em>or </em>against <em>armies, revolutionaries become soldiers, coalitions monopolize politics, patriotic fervor swells, and the party of order triumphs. When the Russian army invaded Ukraine last week, Putin claimed it was in the name of “denazification,” evoking the important role “anti-fascism” plays in the ideology of the Russian state. In the following text, published in </em><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://thenewinquiry.com/author/liaison/" target="_blank">Liaisons</a>’ <em>first book </em><a href="https://www.commonnotions.org/liaisons">In the Name of the People</a><em>, a friend from the region offers an account of revolutionaries involved in the 2014 Maidan uprising in Ukraine, along with considerations about the particular history of Russian “anti-fascism.”</em> <em>Our friend has also recently put together a <a href="https://praleski.org/en/addressing-propaganda">site</a> with writing on the ongoing events in Ukraine, with more articles to come. While the following text does not address the current invasion, it offers an important history of the present moment (the Winter Uprising, Anti-Maidan, the annexation of Crimea) and imagines other possible histories between Russian and Ukrainian people.</em> </p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size"><em>Liaisons- more than a collective, less than a world, is an inclination, a tangent, a crossroads of confrontations, encounters, and links, with authors from the United States, France, Italy, Japan, Korea, Lebanon, Mexico, Quebec, Russia, and Spain</em>.</p>



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<p class="has-medium-font-size"> On a warm summer evening in Kiev, my friend told me a story about his grandfather. The story takes place during World War II in Ukraine. As a peasant, his grandfather found himself in German-occupied territory after yet another German offensive. His grandfather wanted to fight Nazis, but needed to figure out how. There were two options: he could stay in occupied territory and look for a partisan unit, or could try to join the Red Army. He decided to find the partisans, which is how he stumbled upon a strange unit fighting the Germans. The story doesn’t mention how, but he figured that these were Makhnovists, followers of Nestor Makhno, the commander of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Insurgent_Army_of_Ukraine" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine</a>, also known as the Anarchist Black Army, who led a guerrilla campaign in southern Ukraine against other factions seeking to exercise authority over the territory (Ukrainian nationalists and German and Russian forces).&nbsp;</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">My friend told me how his grandfather would vividly recount how he decided to stay as far away from them as he could, because <em>those people</em> would be crushed by both the Nazis and the Reds. The chances of survival in such a battalion were virtually non-existent.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">Very little is known about this battalion today, but it was likely led by Ossip Tsebry – a well-known Makhnovist who fled from the Bolsheviks in 1921. In 1942, Tsebry returned to Ukraine in an attempt to build an anarchist partisan movement to fight both Nazis and Bolsheviks. While little is known about it, this unit did exist and was eventually defeated by the Nazis. Tsebry was captured and ended up in a concentration camp, then was liberated in 1945 by the Western Allies, and subsequently managed to escape the Bolsheviks once again.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">We remembered Tsebry at the dawn of the fall of 2014. Russia had already annexed Crimea and was advancing troops in Donbass. At that moment, no one would have been surprised to hear that Russian tanks were moving on Kharkov, Odessa, or even Kiev. I had just arrived from Saint Petersburg, where I had seen how Russian society would actually fully support the invasion. There was no antiwar movement in sight, and as we exchanged words of remembrance among friends, our emotions matched the intensity of the situation.</p>



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<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Troubled Waters</strong></h2>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">In the time that followed, the discussions revolved almost entirely around fascism and anti-fascism. All the other debates were overshadowed by the question: who is fascist and who is anti-fascist? Since the beginning of the Ukrainian uprising, Russian state propaganda stealthily resurrected the old Soviet vocabulary, declaring that those who were part of the movement were either fascists or Nazis, or were at least manipulated by them. Anarchists and leftists from Ukraine responded by noting that the Russian state is actually the region’s most fascist state. “Fascist” volunteer battalions and the “fascist” Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) were all over the news. Anti-fascists from Belarus and Ukraine, Spain and Italy, Brazil and God knows where else all went to fight. Some ended up on one side and some on the other. </p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">Berkut is the most brutal unit of the Ukrainian riot police. At first, Western leftists, seduced by images of Soviet Berkut buses ablaze on the icy streets of Kiev, largely supported Maidan. But when they realized that the diagonal black and red flags were actually those of the fascists, they had a sudden change of heart and started supporting the “anti-fascist popular uprising” in the East. And then they saw VICE’s feature about pro-Russian anti-fascists, who actually turned out to be fascists. This was all a bit too complicated for them, so they turned away from the Ukrainian situation all together. Yet the West was not the only site of confusion. Anarchists and leftists from Russia were arguing to death over who exactly was fascist and anti-fascist in Ukraine, as if this could explain everything and summarily resolve the matter at hand.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">No one had any clear idea of what to do in fact, even on the ground. We were all desperately looking for guidance, especially in stories from the past. But the reality of war, and the general mobilization it entails, was not an object of analysis for us. Most of us grew up with the feeling that war wouldn’t happen here. We felt like these things could only happen on the periphery – a space that we usually ignored or to which we gave little attention. The only war story we were familiar with was the story of the Great Fatherland War, also referred to as the Great Patriotic War, the Great Fatherland War is a literal translation of the name given to the part of World War II that was fought in the Soviet Union. That story, like all myths, was clear and self-explanatory. There wasn’t much to debate, which made the war a powerful tool for manufacturing unity. That is how my friend and I came to remember the story of Ossip, today a story so neglected and forgotten.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>The Grandfather’s War</strong></h2>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">Our generation, which came into the world near the end of the Soviet Union, still remembers the myth of the Great Fatherland War. When we were children, we played at war – and it was always the same war. It was a war between us and the bad guys, the German fascists. We knew our enemy from the old Soviet movies. The new streets of my neighborhood, built in the eighties, were named after Soviet war heroes, and in the street you could never escape all the monuments of the great Red Army and the martyrs of the war. Some of our cities were even considered “heroic cities.” My grandfather was a veteran, and for big events, he would proudly take out his medals to wear.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">During the nineties, when the news was filled with strange camouflaged men with guns, I couldn’t connect these images with the story of my grandfather and the monuments to the heroes. That war – the war of all the movies and the songs – was the sacred war. That war was full of heroism and purity. What we saw on television just seemed like a nameless bloodbath, a war full of confusion.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">In “the country that defeated fascism,” oddly enough, no serious theory of fascism ever emerged. For the common Soviet citizen, fascism just meant the epitome of evil and abjection. But in the subculture of prison gangs, for example, tattoos of swastikas and other Nazi insignia were considered symbols of a radical denial of the state. These symbols did not have the same meaning in the West, and in Russia, anti-fascism came to mean something different.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">This difference was a question of onomastics, established first through the act of giving a name. In the Soviet Union, World War II was called the Great Fatherland War, and was considered, in Soviet historiography, as part of the eternal fight to defend the fatherland. The term “Fatherland War” is a name that was already used during Napoleon’s invasion of Russia. In the late thirties, and even more so during the war, Stalin and his propagandists began to speak of Soviet history within the wider historical context of the Russian Empire. This propaganda constructed the narrative of an unending struggle against the invaders from the West: from Alexander Nevsky in the thirteenth century to the Napoleonic invasion in 1812. This glorification of feudal and aristocratic heroes would have been impossible to imagine even a few years before, but, for the purposes of mobilization, of course it wouldn’t hurt to sacrifice a few principles. Because who, if not we, the <em>Great Russian People</em>, could smash fascism and liberate Europe? As the war dragged on, it became not only a fight against fascism, but a war against that insistent invader, who arrived again and again to conquer our sacred Russian land.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">According to this logic, the enormous human losses during the war were not due to the failures of the Soviet state, but were a martyrdom of necessity. They were a sacrifice that fits comfortably within the old story of the God-chosen Russian Nation, humbly taking on the burden of others and saving Europe from eschatological disasters, again and again.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">In the context of the repression of the thirties, ethnic deportations were massive. As this trend continued during the war, the deportations were justified through accusations of Nazi collaboration. Russian ideologists love to mention collaborator units formed by Nazis during the war, composed of different Soviet ethnic groups. By creating the figure of Traitor-Nations, they are able to omit the fact that most collaborators were actually ethnic Russians, in order to legitimate colonial politics and ethnic repression.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">Through this revisionism, the state has successfully created an equivalency between the Soviet subject and the anti-fascist. By essence, a Russian is anti-fascist, and thus being against Russians means being fascist. Anybody standing against Moscow for any reason now became fascist by default. In this framework, victory could only be achieved through national unity, and being Russian meant being loyal. Now any protest against central power could be easily reframed in these simplistic terms.</p>



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<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Russian Antifa and State Anti-fascism</strong> </h2>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">While it has lost some momentum, in the 2000s, the Antifa movement was a significant mobilizing force for Russian youth. While it was a very heterogeneous movement, what its members held in common was the beautiful but not always well-calibrated desire to smash Nazis. The more this movement focused on the practical aspects of attacking the Right, the less it could propose any kind of significant theoretical framework to analyze fascism. What is worse is that its members often just ended up naming “fascist” anything they didn’t like. This was the case for the gangs of youth coming from the Caucasus. These gangs not only challenged their hegemony in the streets, but also showed “a lack of will to integrate” and accept the power of Russian culture in the “historically” Russian cities. “Black racism” or “Caucasian fascism” became widespread terms within the Antifa milieu. A significant part of the milieu even had no problem calling themselves “patriots” and Nazis “spoiled Russians” who forgot their roots. As one of the most popular songs of the milieu proudly proclaimed: “I am the real Russian / You are just a Nazi whore.” This song, “What We Feel,” was composed by the band Till the End, and features the band Moscow Death Brigade.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">Consequently, these milieus could not produce any alternative vision of history that could pose a challenge to that of the state. They just repeated mindless mantras about the strange character of fascists and Nazis in the “country that defeated fascism,” and bragged about having a grandfather who went to war.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">Elaborating other narratives and representations, they believed, could undermine their reach and separate them from the “common people.” They tried as much as possible to look and act <em>ordinary</em>. They wanted to distance themselves from any form of marginality. Some even assumed an avant-garde role among the “healthy” part of Russian society. Given the commonplace of this populist strategy, it isn’t surprising that some of them began to sympathize with imperialist ideas, or even went to fight for the “Russian World” in Donbass.</p>



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<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>The Russian Spring vs. Maidan</strong></h2>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">The 2014 Winter Uprising in Ukraine was deep and long. When former president Viktor Yanukovych ran away, the vast majority of those who took part in the movement were ready to stay in the streets to expand the Revolution of Dignity (the official Ukrainian name of the events).</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">Vladimir Putin’s regime was in a delicate position. It had been dealing with a weak economy since 2012, and was still weakened by the protest cycle of 2011–2012. A protest movement so close to Russia’s borders, and a successful one at that, wasn’t a welcome event, but the regime had managed to create an internal unity and delegitimize every uprising and resistance. The Maidan events were not yet over when Russia annexed Crimea, creating a de facto war where there was a “popular” uprising and sending a message to neighbors that uprisings could weaken their country and make it easy prey for annexation.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">The annexation of Crimea was met with a spectacular wave of nationalist euphoria. Since the independence of Ukraine in 1991, Crimea had been first on the list of territories to reclaim for Russian nationalists. After 2014, <em>Krymnash</em>, meaning “Crimea is ours,” became both a meme and foundation for a new imperial consensus.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">Two other important terms also appeared at that moment, although they are now all but forgotten: “Russian Spring” and “Russian World.” Russian Spring was a direct reference to the Arab Spring, which Russian ideologists had declared, with the utmost seriousness, was nothing more than a special CIA operation against legitimate leadership in the Arab world. But the <em>Russian Spring</em> should have been the authentic uprising of the <em>Russian People</em>, willing to reunite under their leader and state as a part of the Russian World. As this potentially refers to any place and land historically related to Russia or with a significant Russian-speaking population, the scope of the so-called Russian World has always been unclear.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">As with every populist idea, the Russian World was presented as something natural and self-evident – it was completely natural for Russian speakers to want to be annexed by the Fatherland. Through this discursive operation, it was not a question of the Russian Empire (re)conquering territories, but of the Russian people liberating themselves from the alienating rule of the West and coming back to the homeland. Apparently it was just like World War II, when the Red Army did not conquer new territories in Europe and Asia, but liberated these people from the yoke of fascism.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">Through this lens, the annexation of Crimea simply became a “reunion,” a manifestation of the unanimous will of the Crimean people to return to their homeland. Those who were not part of that consensus – like the native Crimean Tatars, for instance, who were well-organized and protested the annexation – were simply ignored or seen as traitors. After the annexation, all the leftists, activists, and anarchists had to escape. Those who remained either ended up in jail, or just disappeared after a raid. Every public political activity became impossible. It’s Russia, after all, and Russia means war.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>The People’s Anti-Fascist Uprising</strong></h2>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">Different tactics were used to give the occupation of Crimea and Donbass the appearance of popular movements. In Crimea, where Russia has large military bases, it was easy to fill the peninsula with soldiers in a few days. These forces rapidly took over the most important infrastructural points, such as the parliament and the airport, after which they adopted an “observer” role to appear as a “peacekeeping” force to ensure that the “people’s uprising” went smoothly, and that Russian-speaking populations were not “attacked.”</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">In a disconcerting game of mirrors, pro-Russian forces started to copy the tactics used at Maidan. In the first days of the annexation, the “self-defense forces” of Crimea were created, copying the self-defense forces of Maidan. Officially, they were created by locals who wanted to defend their cities from the Nazi hordes allegedly arriving from Kiev. Of course, it was quickly shown that these self-defense militias were controlled by Russian officers. They were composed of Cossacks, local petty criminals, pro-Russian right-wingers, and red-brown activists from Russia. In reality, the self-defense groups and the Russian military operated together. During the assaults, plainclothes self-defense officers were performing all the actions, to portray for the media an image of the people’s revolt. The soldiers were never far away, ready to step in if the Ukrainian security services or army intervened. This tactic contributed to creating the simulacrum of a peaceful and voluntary annexation.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">The foundations of this communications strategy were laid during Maidan, while the Anti-Maidan movement grew in the eastern cities of Ukraine. At the core of this movement were pro-Russian groups, already familiar with Russian-imperial ideas. Anti-Maidan named itself an anti-fascist movement and repeated Russian propaganda’s main clichés. Anti-Maidan’s discourse was the inverse of Maidan: there were calls to join Russia, reinstall Yanukovych to power, celebrate the Berkut, and invite Russian troops to occupy the country. At the same time, there were also other people participating in Anti-Maidan – people who genuinely believed that a motley coalition of Nazis, homosexuals, and the American “deep state” had joined forces and seized power in Kiev.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">At the beginning, Anti-Maidan presented itself as another movement against Maidan. One street demonstration against another street demonstration, occupations of state buildings against other occupations, one constitutive violence against another. On the ground, however, the realities of the two movements could not be further apart. In Donetsk and Luhansk, the Anti-Maidan movement acted with the support of local bureaucrats, the police, and organized crime. While Maidan was repressed, Anti-Maidan had free reign, and it helped the pro-Russians gain a significant number of official buildings and arms. “People’s Assemblies,” controlled by armed activists, elected “popular representatives.” “People’s Republics” were proclaimed, calling on Russian troops and holding referendums about joining the Russian Federation. Like in Crimea, all the key positions in these so-called republics were swiftly occupied by special officers and loyal activists sent by Moscow. The so-called uprising was over at that point, and a new life began in these “liberated” territories.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">It is worth noting that when the clashes first started, when people were facing each other at the barricades, they often realized they had more in common than they thought. In Kharkiv, for instance, Anti-Maidan and Maidan camps stood in front of each other on Freedom Square. Maidan invited its opponents to come speak at the microphone to let them explain what they stood for, and in many instances people changed their minds and switched sides. This naturally upset radical nationalists from either side, who sought an image of a people’s uprising, complete with its sacrificial victims. All that was a far cry from the mundane meetings, interminable conversations, and socializing that went on at the square.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">To demonstrate which movement was a real “people’s movement,” both sides competed for hegemony in the street. This made clashes and provocations inevitable and increasingly violent. After the events of May 2, 2014, in Odessa, where more than 40 people died in a fire during clashes between Anti-Maidan and Maidan, and the start of the war in the East, protests in the streets stopped and many Anti-Maidan organizers went to Russia or the new “People’s Republics.”</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">Nevertheless, the project of establishing Novorossiya, an old colonial Russian name for some regions of Ukraine that were supposed to be reunited with the fatherland, was soon abandoned. The attempts to reproduce the “people’s uprising” coordinated in Luhansk and Donetsk failed elsewhere, despite major Russian financial and media support. What remained, however, and continued to circulate, was the narrative of the popular uprising. With the help of the already familiar paradigm of the Russian Spring, the Donbass uprising was declared to be “anti-fascist.” It didn’t seem to bother anyone in Russia that the leaders of this “people’s uprising” were composed of officers fresh from Moscow. After all, they were pursuing the mission of the Red Army: save the people from fascism and the machinations of the West.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">Anti-fascism is the key idea that bridges the old monarchist empire, the Bolshevik superpower, and the new Russian State: a world power that keeps getting stronger despite the intrigues of its enemies.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">In this context, it’s no wonder the war in Ukraine didn’t incite large protests in Russia. On the contrary, the streets were filled with tents of solidarity associations collecting goods and money for the people’s militias of Donbass. May 9, known as the Day of Victory, became the main state celebration in Russia. It consisted of parades, fireworks, people’s marches, children who wore Red Army costumes and chanted slogans like “To Berlin, To Kiev, to Washington!” and “Thank you grandpa for the victory!” The conflict in Ukraine was seamlessly converted into an element of the narrative of the new imperial consensus.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>After 2014</strong></h2>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">Like most contemporary insurrections, Maidan took political milieus by surprise on both sides of the border. The Russian, Belarusian, and Ukrainian activist networks have always been in close contact, and though Ukraine was considered to have more liberty and less repression, the social situation was no less difficult than elsewhere. Yanukovych was trying to consolidate power and resources while at the same time imposing neoliberal reforms. When comrades from different countries met, we sadly joked that Ukraine would soon be like Russia, Russia soon like Belarus, and Belarus soon like North Korea. It seemed like things could do nothing but get worse. If somebody had proposed on New Year’s Eve of 2014 that Maidan would become one of the biggest uprisings of the last decades in Eastern Europe, they would have been met with waves of laughter.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">In the beginning, leftists and anarchists did not really believe in the perspectives opened by the movement. Some recalled the Orange Revolution of 2004 as a fool’s trap that would only change the faces one sees on television. Others wanted to avoid getting paralyzed by over-analysis, and thought it important to take part in any popular initiative. And effectively, this is what Maidan was. In its experience, aesthetics, and composition, it consisted of a “popular” uprising.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">Most of us, undecided, decided to wait. Our uneasiness came from strange slogans about “Euro-association,” as well as the presence of the Far Right and neo-Nazis. And while the Right was not setting the agenda of the movement, it was better organized and was boldly trying to exclude its enemies from the square. All leftist symbols were seen as a positive reference to the Soviet Union, thus pro-Russian and pro-Yanukovych. As for the anarchists and other radicals, they weren’t organized enough to participate as a distinct group.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">By the end of December, the movement had grown but did not present new developments. It seemed condemned to be an endless encampment of cold weather and boredom. But in mid-January, the regime decided to scale up repression – emergency laws were adopted and the occupation was brutally attacked, causing several casualties. After the attack, the situation changed dramatically, becoming a struggle against a real dictatorship. Leaving their doubts behind, the radical milieus joined the movement.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">They were rapidly joined by comrades from neighboring countries. We saw with our own eyes how Maidan’s “Russophobia” was an invention of the Russian media. It didn’t really exist. It didn’t bother anyone to speak Russian at the barricades, even with the strongest Moscow accent. Some people joked that you might be a spy, but then usually added: “We will meet at the barricades in Moscow chasing off Putin!”</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">Maidan grew by waves, adopting more radical methods as more and more people got involved. From field kitchens to underground hospitals, fight trainings to lectures and film screenings, and transportation to distribution and supplies, a huge infrastructure was growing up around the protests. There were even attempts to compose decision-making structures, in the form of soviets or assemblies, but they didn’t have time to take root. The Berkut started to openly shoot people in Kiev, and in February the insurrection spread throughout the country. People were occupying administrative buildings and everywhere blockading the police. The regime attempted a last push, but overestimated its forces and failed, and then Yanukovych was forced to flee to Russia.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">In appearance, Maidan had won. An enormous amount of people in Ukraine gained experience in autonomous organizing and street sensibility, and sacrifice did not befall them in vain. People felt like the game had changed, and they could now take hold of a common power.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">But, in anarchist and leftist circles, this euphoria soon died. Thanks to the efforts of the liberal and Russian media, however opposed they were in their ends, the Right was able to portray the image that it was the radical vanguard of Maidan. Among many of us, joy gave way to panic as those whom one might have fought on the street the day earlier had now suddenly gained official posts in the new structures of state power.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">Something far more dreadful was on the way. Russia annexed Crimea and started a war, which was an ambiguous gift for the new government. The energy set free on Maidan was channeled into volunteer battalions and support for the ruined Ukrainian army, which couldn’t do much against Russia. From now on, defending the Revolution of Dignity didn’t mean being on the barricades of Kiev, but on the front line. The movement then disappeared, of course, as it is obviously wrong to protest when your country is at war.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">As for the Russian leftists, they found themselves on the side of Russian propaganda, and began to increasingly criticize “Ukrainian fascism.” Well-known figures like Boris Kagarlitsky started spreading stories about an “anti-fascist proletarian popular uprising in Donbass.” Some of these leftist personalities could be seen drinking tea with Russian nationalists and imperial fascists at the next meeting for the Russian World in Crimea. The young went to war as volunteers, if not to bomb villages, then at least to take some selfies in camouflage, Kalashnikov in hand. Others became war journalists, following battalions like the Prizrak brigade in Donbass, whose leader, after rounding up a few well-known neo-Nazis, became famous for defending the idea of raping women who weren’t home after curfew. None of this seemed to bother the Left, as long as the battalions kept waving red flags and singing songs from that sacred war, complemented by stories about NATO soldiers on the Ukrainian side and images of dead children. As for the older Western leftists, they found themselves reliving the Cold War and started support campaigns for the “anti-fascists of Donbass.”</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">After the shock of the first months, most of the Russian radical milieus turned away from such a confusing situation. Either the issue of the war did not concern them, or they felt there was nothing they could do. There was also a new wave of repression in Russia, within a context of unprecedented support for Putin. In this situation, there was increasingly less public political activity, and more comrades turned to infrastructural projects like cooperatives or publishing. Others decided to immigrate, either within Russia or abroad.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">In Ukraine, on the other hand, organizing was on the rise. Despite the war, political life was blooming, but things were shifting fast. The Antifa and punk milieus generally became patriotic right-wingers. Anarchists weren’t spared from this dynamic, many of whom grew sympathetic to the “autonomous nationalists” of Autonomous Resistance, an ex-Nazi group from the barricades of Maidan that was now spreading a mix of anti-imperialism and concepts taken from the new Right. Following their logic, nationality was the same as class, and ethnic conflicts and even cleansing could be understood as a form of class war. They saw the war with Russia as an anti-imperialist struggle, supported the army, and applauded their members who went to war as heroes. Others followed a similar path. Though they started by unmasking the fascist character of the Russian state, they ended up arguing that the only valid strategy against the Russian invasion was to support the Ukrainian Army. By evoking the history of World War II, they mirrored the logic of Russian propaganda, accusing anyone who criticizes the Ukrainian government of being pro-Russian or, of course, “fascist.”</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">Another part of the movement decided that, again in reference to World War II, when faced with absolute evil, it was better to collaborate with the devil. In today’s terms, Russia was the obvious evil, and therefore collaboration came in the form of joining the Ukrainian Army or the volunteer battalions – in the end, supporting the government institutions. There were some of our now ex-comrades who went to war, or at least supported such a decision. It is certain that no one wanted to become cannon fodder for capitalists and the state. But, for some of them, it seemed like the only option left to fight the Russian invasion and the Russian machine. The most naive sincerely believed in the <em>revolutionary nature of the people</em>, and for a moment really thought they could agitate among the soldiers, convincing them to turn their guns against the government. The most cynical spoke about the opportunity to “gain war experience,” while others just felt pressure and the need to do something. With their support of armed struggle against the military invasion, part of the movement drifted toward a fascination for anything military. They seemed hypnotized by a new world of Kalashnikovs and camouflage, in contrast with which everything else just seemed to fade from view.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">The topic of war soon became dangerous to address. The propaganda was working not only in Russia but also in Ukraine. While those who argued against the war could quickly be labeled as Putin’s agents, it also became illegal to make public statements against military mobilization.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">A lot of people simply became tired of all the conflicts and left the movement. The country’s economic crisis forced people to work more, snatching away their time. While the energy of Maidan continued to nourish autonomous projects, stagnation struck the heart of the movement at the same time Ukrainian society was in crisis and the government still hadn’t completely regained control of the situation.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Other Histories</strong></h2>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">In retrospect, it seems the movement failed to find a way to oppose the rising populist imperialist consensus, both in Russia and in Ukraine. And for this not only our weakness, but also the way we have defined priorities in these last years, are to blame.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">Too busy fighting fascists and Nazis in the street, we did not develop a solid analysis of what fascism is, nor did we propose an alternative to the official history of World War II, which seems to haunt us at every turn. At the level of rituals and symbols, we finally followed the version advanced by the Russian state – the myth of the unity of the Soviet People against fascism. The narratives about other forces that confronted both Stalinism and Nazism – like those of the partisan movement that rejected the rule of the Red Army – have become marginal. We have likewise paid too little attention to the conflicts of peasants and workers against Stalinism, or to the Gulag insurrections during the war.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">On the other hand, we also must rethink the colonial character of the Russian and Soviet empires. Armed conflicts in distant places have so easily been forgotten. Even the war in Chechnya, which was important for anarchists in the 1990s and at the beginning of the 2000s, was forgotten by the next generation. We are in dire need of internal structures that allow us to transmit such experiences and their lessons.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">In this light, it’s not surprising that the explosion of war in Ukraine took us by surprise. We have not fully taken account of the fact that Russia is always at war somewhere, in some part of the world. And now this war knocks at our own door, and threatens our comrades and neighbors. It attacks our friends. We no longer know what common ground can establish connections between our movements, especially at the moment we need it most.</p>



<p class="has-medium-font-size">It seemed to us, as Russians and Ukrainians, that we almost lived in the same space, with a close past and present. We shared our experiences and resources in our struggle against common hardships. Yet when our states plunged us into war, feeding off the myths of our common past, we didn’t know how to resist. The more they try to mobilize the dead to divide us, the more we should show that history can’t be reduced to what is written by the victors. We ourselves have histories to tell – a story beyond imperialist myths, however they’re assumed – because only revolutionary history will keep us warm during this long winter.</p>



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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Asheville Fm radio, based in western North Carolina, aired a fascinating interview with an anarcho-syndicalist named Denys, from the Autonomous Worker’s Union in Ukraine. In the interview, Denys debunks many of the myths surrounding the Euromaidan protests in Ukraine, and explains motives behind the stories and propaganda being circulated around the protests. Why is the Free Association Agreement with the EU (which would mostly benefit the ultra-rich oligarchs of Ukraine) deliberately being construed as actual integration? Ukrainian leaders backed off from signing it at the last minute. Meanwhile, Russia is trying to pull Ukraine into her Customs Union by offering</p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://www.ashevillefm.org/">Asheville Fm radio</a>, based in western North Carolina, aired a fascinating <a href="http://www.ashevillefm.org/the-final-straw/12/2013/euromaidan-an-ukrainian-anarchosyndicalist-perspective-on-these-protests">interview</a> with an anarcho-syndicalist named Denys, from the <a href="http://www.avtonomia.net/">Autonomous Worker’s Union</a> in Ukraine. In the interview, Denys debunks many of the myths surrounding the Euromaidan protests in Ukraine, and explains motives behind the stories and propaganda being circulated around the protests.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Why is the Free Association Agreement with the EU (which would mostly benefit the ultra-rich oligarchs of Ukraine) deliberately being construed as actual integration? Ukrainian leaders backed off from signing it at the last minute. Meanwhile, Russia is trying to pull Ukraine into her Customs Union by offering Kyiv a deal for promised purchases of billions of euro of Ukrainian products, and a 30 percent discount on Russian Natural Gas.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys explains that when the protests broke, the political class of Ukraine was taken by surprise. However, the opposition, a coalition leaning towards far-right (with fascist Svoboda being the most visible of them all) quickly regrouped and turned the street into their PR machine. The opposition had massive demonstrations in their plans, as fascist Svobodas leader declared in an interview in March 2013. Evidence emerged of the opposition leaders plans to overthrow the current government with the financial and political support of Germany’s conservative Angela Merkel, the EU leaders from Brussels, and with visible support of the United States, whose envoy, conservative John McCain was the guest star of the Euromaidan.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Two months after they started, Euromaidan protests started to wane, despite being forcefully encouraged by the conservative political elites and governments of Europe and the United States. These protests have been controlled by the politicians who took over the Kyiv City Hall, and in this video, we can see a neo-nazi white pride Christian cross, proudly displayed by the opposition in their “Revolutionary HQs,” the City Hall of Kyiv which they occupied earlier in December.</span></span></p>
<p><iframe loading="lazy" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/q-dHVZTtTxQ" width="360" height="315" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="allowfullscreen"></iframe> <span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">It’s hard to say who is more desperate – the government or the opposition, but the latter <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/29/us-ukraine-idUSBRE9BS06O20131229">announced</a> they would focus on the upcoming presidential elections, due in 18 months, though it’s not quite clear what candidate they’ll support. Fatherland sided with the ruling Party of Regions of the current president Viktor Yanukovych in <a href="http://ukrainianweek.com/Politics/92941">backstabbing</a> Vitali Klitschko, most likely to make room either for their man, Arseniy Yatseniuk, or for the leader of Svoboda, <a href="http://www.kyivpost.com/content/politics/yatseniuk-predicts-good-chances-for-tiahnybok-at-2015-presidential-election-319450.html">Oleh Tyahnybok</a> (or maybe for Tymoshenko for whose release from prison, the West makes huge pressures).</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Klitschko, already promoted by the conservative leaders of Europe as their favourite, <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24660670">announced</a> he would run in the March 2015 presidential elections, a month before the Euromaidan.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">However, Svoboda’s leader exposed their plans to take over Kyiv in a March 2013 interview which a month later was followed by street protests which failed to call for early elections for the mayor of Kiev, which would have led to the ousting of one of the allies of President Viktor Yanukovich from a powerful post.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">7 months later, the opposition used the street protests against the government to gain power in Ukraine. The results have been very fruitful for the Svoboda party. On January 1st, the Svoboda party led a march of over 15,000 nationalists to celebrate the birthday of long dead nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera.</span></span></p>
<p><iframe loading="lazy" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/2QsVVkA4Ywo" width="360" height="315" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="allowfullscreen"></iframe> <span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> Klitschko attempted to disassociate Euromaidan from the Bandera march, but this lacks meaning as he has allied with Tyagnybok and demonstrated his willingness to collaborate with the Svoboda party. Many participants in Euromaidan have expressed their disapproval of the Bandera march, yet many of the same people have expressed their desire to not split the protests, meaning they will still willingly collaborate with nazis. This has essentially allowed Svoboda to establish hegemony among Euromaidan attendees as well as the capital.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">In this interview, Denys explains what are the real facts and how are they reflected in a labyrinth of deformed mirrors, which one must remove from their way to understand the reality of life in Ukraine, a country where “people are ill because the State is a Ministry, Court, Oligarch, Scoundrel and non-accountable Parliament all at once, with all the same personalities over and over again.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>The transcript of the interview with Denys has been slightly edited from the spoken language into the written one, for more clarity. The edited parts are in brackets. You may also listen to it <a href="https://ia801005.us.archive.org/3/items/AfmFinalStraw12222013/afm-final-straw-12222013.mp3">here</a>.</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: You must distinguish between the two Euromaidans. (In) the first one which (took place) on November 21st, middle class people (participated), who mostly wanted the signing of that European Union agreement. However, today (our note – two months later), most of the people who are on the streets are concerned with rather more practical issues, such as police brutality, which was shown on the night of December 1st, and generally they are not happy with the government and the president. So the European integration remains a wider issue, but today it’s kind of the second place.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">(As far as) the pro-government protests (are concerned): the people (who participated in them) were taken by the government on busses and (brought) to Kyiv for the weekend. (These) protests were not honest. Many people who work for the government, like teachers, doctors and so on, were told by their bosses that they have to do it. So, it was like mandatory for them. I would not say this (was) a real protest. But (regarding) the people who support the Union with Russia and Belarus and Kazahstan, yes, there is such an opinion and, as a whole, the country is divided more or less 50-50 regarding the integration into the European Union or the Customs Union.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The problem is that the second position is just not very represented in mass media which lean towards the other direction (pro-EU). And generally those people (who support the Customs Union) do not have the habit of protesting. They live in smaller towns and therefore they are not (represented in the media as much as those who live in the capital).</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Also (the supporters of the Customs Union) have very stupid political leaders, for instance the main political force, which had organised those protests (in favor of) the Customs Union, (had) as their main point of anti-EU propaganda (the claim) that the European Union will bring about the same-sex marriage, and non traditional things which supposedly would not be welcomed by the Ukraian population. They even invented the term “Euro-sodom,” like (in) <a href="http://atheism.wikia.com/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah">Sodom and Gomorrah</a>.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">And the other political force which supports the Customs Union is the Communist Party of Ukraine, which for many years has had nothing to do with communism, its political programme and agenda (can be) rather described as conservative, just like a regular social conservative party. If you compared (them) with Marie Le Pen, you would not find much difference between them.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: Is in their wording and imagery a sort of call back towards the Soviet era and rejoining with other Eastern European countries?</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “Yes, of course they speculate about it, because the bonds between regular people are still very strong. You know many people have relatives (in Russia), (not to mention things) like the common mass-culture. Many people watch the Russian TV channels, so that is much more common in the regular lives of people in central, eastern, and southern regions.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">People in the Central and Southern region have many things in common with the Russians, in their lifestyle, and they don’t feel they are the same as the European people.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">But at the same time, a large part of the (Ukrainian) population is now currently living abroad, in the European Union, especially in Spain, Italy, Poland and Czech Republic and Portugal. Mostly these are people from Western regions, but not exclusively.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: With the supporters versus the detractors of the EU inclusion, I can see a dividing up according to social norms, as you mentioned, so people who are maybe more social liberal (are) maybe leaning towards the West with its more progressive laws and same sex marriages, and then on the right side you have more conservative, more orthodox leaning – it will be a different orthodox church than the Russian orthodox – I’m sure that, depending on where you are in the country or what industry you’re in, you’re going do more business generally with the East or the West. But would you say that both the positions are basically more towards liberalizing the economy and weakening workers’s rights within Ukraine, or is it sort of a false bind for workers in Ukraine?</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: First of all you talked about the prevailing social liberalism among the pro-EU (Ukrainians). I would not really agree with that. There is such an impression because the pro-EU protests are headed by the educated middle class people who do have a (sort) of more social liberal agenda.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">But still it’s more like cultural right versus cultural right.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">So, for example, regularly, people at the Euromaidan pray publicly like together, all together. Then again, (regarding) the same sex marriages (issue): most people who stand for the EU integration would never accept it.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">(Indeed) the social issues regarding the workers’ rights are not on the agenda at all. The working class, as a class, does not take part in these events at all. The workers naturally do take sides, but they are not organized in class-like organisations, in unions, as such they just don’t participate in these events. And they have good reasons for this, because both sides just talk about the cultural, political issues, which don’t have any direct connection to needs of an average worker.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The protesters who support the EU have the utterly false impression about Europe as some paradise where everything is all right, everything is much better than in Ukraine or anywhere else. It’s useless to tell them about the protests within the EU, about the austerity programs. They just don’t listen and they would say, “Ah, so you would better join Russia, wouldn’t you!”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">So this false choice is just overwhelming and I think the same could be said about the opposite side. The leftist agenda, the workers’ rights agenda, is just not present at any of these squares (where people protest).</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: That must be a rather a frustrating position. All right, I guess, as an anarchist, it might open all sorts of possibilities and questions, (when they say) “Well, you must be pro-Russia if you’re against this”, (could you say) “Well, actually there’s another way.” Do you find that opens up a lot of conversations for you?</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “No. The people are very hyped-up, they are very nervous. Today and maybe all the other days of last weeks, you could be in real physical danger, if you start saying something like this because you’d be immediately considered a provocateur from the ruling party. Actually, there were a couple of such incidents at the Euromaidan, when people from different leftist groups were trying to do exactly what you’re saying, and some of them were beaten quite harshly, others were just pushed out. (This is) because regular people do show some interest sometimes, but the other problem is that the whole situation in the rank and file in the euromaidan, the security and the local managers (organisers of the protests), who do stuff, they are heavily infiltrated by the far right groups that actually have their own things to say to the left. And they have the trust of the normal, the political people, so if some new Nazi whom we know says, “Oh my god, look, these are communists, these are like provocateurs, I think they just support Yanukovych,” nobody would listen to you anymore. You’d be like pushed away.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">This is the mass hysteria in which I do not think it is possible to do much agitation, although I think during the next year we’ll have much more possibilities, because given the awful state of Ukraine’s state finances, I think during the next couple of months, the protests could be transformed into something (closer to a) more of a social economical agenda.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: Let’s hope so. </b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Can you talk a bit more about the Ukrainian political system, and what the spectrum looks like? What kind of parties should our listeners know about to get a basic understanding about the dynamics, and what the stances are on the Ukraine joining the EU or the Custom’s Union?</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “The Ukrainian parliamentary politics basically consists of two large (political) parties – these two parties have pretty identical social, political and economical agendas. They both can be described as centrist-right populists. One party is the Party of Region, which is the ruling party, president Yanukovych is their chief, and the government consists of the Party of Regions’ members. The opposition consists of a bloc of three parliamentary opposition parties, which are basically the same, the only difference is that they speak Ukrainian. (These opposition parties) have their electoral base in the Central and Western Ukraine, while the Party of Regions (people rather) speak Russian, and they speculate on these cultural differences, since their voters live in the South and in the East. These are the parties which gather perhaps 60 percent of all votes. Also there is the “Communist” party of Ukraine, which I already told you about. And one of this so-called National Democratic Opposition is the Svoboda (party), which is translated as “freedom”, but actually is a far-right party, identical to the other far-right populists from the European countries actually. Most of the political parties which I described do support the integration into the European Union, including most of the businessmen who support the Party of Regions (the ruling paty of president Yanukovych).</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Actually, during this year, there emerged an opposition, based on pro-Russian conservative grounds, inside the Party of Regions, but it was very severely suppressed. The would-be leader of that opposition, a member of the parliament, was expelled from the Parliament, on grounds that he rigged the elections in his constituency.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Up until the end of November everything said that Ukraine would sign that Association Agreement (with the EU) because everybody is interested in it.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Then things changed rapidly, as far as can be understood, when the president and the prime-minister looked at the figures and they just realized that they can’t do it because the trade was with Russia and because (of the situation of) the State’s finances – we don’t have money and the budget is just empty and we can’t afford the losses which would be brought about by that association Agreement. Obviously nobody read that agreement at all (until at that moment), because (until the moment they backed off), the prime-minister and the president were the main euro-optimists in the country.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Overnight then they became the main euro-skeptics.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: Was the International Monetary Fund’s restructuring plan a part of getting into the European Union, or was that a separate thing that suddenly came up about the same time for the Yanukovych’s party? </b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “These are two separate things, which are united by the fact that the Ukrainian government badly needs money. So they’ve decided to press the European Union in order for them to help Ukraine negotiate for better conditions of (getting) a credit fund from the IMF.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">This is because the IMF demands (the same measures) as they usually do for many countries. (They impose) very harsh conditions, such as rising the gas price for the population, and the devaluation of the national currency. And the government refused to do that that over the past years, and it would be certainly political suicide for any politician who would try to do that now, when there is one year left before the presidential elections.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: From what I understand the IMF demands a 40 percent increase of the price of natural gas in a country that is quite cold, right? </b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: Yeah.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: That seems like political suicide. I can see that for sure. </b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “The main political force in the far right scene in Ukraine today is undeniably the Svoboda party, if I would have to seek some comparison I would compare them to other eastern european far-right parties such as Hungarian Jobbik party (more on Jobbik: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxOKZ5sYW18">documetary</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuPuaPbBZG0">news report</a>, and <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/world/hungarys-farright-jobbik-honours-nazilinked-wartime-leader-miklos-horthy-20131104-2wva5.html">article</a>) which I think American listeners may be aware of. There was a huge scandal when they got lots of votes a couple of years ago in Hungary. Svoboda (is) pretty much the same thing, it’s a political party which has its own project of a so-called “national constitution” (which would bring about) many awful things, such as the death penalty for the so-called “anti-Ukrainian activities,” without further comment. Basically anything contrary to that parties spirit could be considered “anti-Ukrainian.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Today in the Euromaidan they are calling for a political strike, but actually what most people just don’t realize is that, in the Svoboda’s project of (a new) Constitution, the political strike is a criminal offense.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: It’s a state of exception for them, I’m sure. </b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “Yeah. The paradox is that they’ve become extremely popular among the educated liberal middle class in urban areas, especially in Kyiv. So today Kyiv votes for Svoboda, as the Western regions of Ukraine do, because they just say, “Well, I don’t know what is their program like. I did not read anything (about it), but they look so harsh, they are such cool guys, and I’m sure that at least they would break the necks of those corrupt people who are now in the party (holding) power.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">This is, of course, very much reminiscent of the historical situations in other countries in 21st century.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">I don’t want to sound too much in panic, but there are some similar traits, because regular bourgeois people from the middle class just don’t see anything wrong with it. And, to some extent, they are right, because, if the far-right wins over the country, these people would not feel any major difficulties (in their life). The main difficulties would be directed towards the far left, towards all the left parties and movements, and towards the ethnic minorities and racial minorities.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">But normal people would not feel anything for some time (at least), and that’s the problem.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Also another interesting fact about (the Svoboda) party: they (went through) a rebranding, and now (they) call (themselves) “freedom”.  This is a generic word for the European right, but up until 2005 or 2004, they called themselves the Socialist Nationalist Party of Ukraine.” (our note: Actually the current Svoboda leader said at one point that every Ukrainian must become a Socialist-Nationalist.)</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: Do you have anything to say about the Ukraine National Assembly party?</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “They’re not very influential now. They used to be a very powerful far-right party (back) in the `90s, when they really had their own para-military soldiers, and even a semi-army, and their fighters (participated in) the war in Chechnya, and in other Caucasus wars and in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria">Transnistria</a>, and, yeah, they were very scary. But today they are just mostly a club for the nazis who don’t like Svoboda.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: I came across the website of Dimitrov Kutchinsky, that guy is crazy. There are also references to national-anarchism.</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “Are you familiar with that concept at all?”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: Yeah there are some idiots claiming to be that in the United States. In San Francisco, and New York and Chicago. Are they much of a thing in the Ukraine?</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Denys</b>: “Yes, actually yes. Because unfortunately this is a very popular trend – to mix with the leftist things, like (in adopting an) anticapitalism (narrative). The anarchist (position) is very trendy, cool and gives you some points immediately, but people mix it with national things, which also look very trendy and cool with the youth, mainly with teenagers who just don’t see any problem in trying to combine these things. And it’s especially funny in Ukraine because we have a very big myth about <a href="http://www.nestormakhno.info/">Makhno</a>.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Today he’s an integral part of the national myth, he’s considered a nationalist, actually, because, well, he fought the Bolsheviks, therefore he must be for Ukraine, for independent Ukraine, and for the rule of the nation and so on. Obviously this is total bullshit, but this mythology is very popular and it adds to the popularity of that left-right synthesis, the third position actually, like T<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terza_Posizione">erza Posizione</a>, (which is) the Italian fascist tradition.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: Yeah that’s the same phrasing that they use in the United States: third positionists. There’s also a lot of overlap of nationalism and regional bio-centric ecology, so that they seem to make invasions into Green Anarchism before they start to make it into the mainstream or before a lot of people became aware of who they were and what they were doing. </b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “I understand that, but here in Ukraine, apart from the New Age things, they are also very fascinated by the proper fascists, such as Mussolini, for example. They somehow are trying to mix it with anarchism.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Also you may be aware of the split in the Russian anarchist movement recently?</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: No, I’m not actually.</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “Well there was a big split and that is repeated in Ukraine too.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">It’s the split between the anarchists who support the minority rights, the feminist struggle, they pay attention to general issues, to the minority rights to the ethnical minorities, and the other macho-anarchists who don’t like all this ‘feminist b….t.’ They say, ‘We are cool guys, we do lots of sports and we are the proper anarchists, we don’t want anything to do with <b>those pussies.’</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Unfortunately, this manarchism is also gaining a lot of popularity lately.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: Is that a phrase you use in Ukraine, manarchism?</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “Oh, we know that it’s originated in the United States, but for the lack of better word, yeah.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: It was quite surprising to hear it, I mean your English is very good but also the colloquial, the subcultural terms that you’ve pulled, they’re quite good. It seems in the United States that that’s always been a trend, that’s a possibility and that’s happened over and over again where people split off and say, “Oh, we need to have action now, no, these other ideas will happen after the revolution, we can wait to talk about race or sexism after the revolution and we’re gonna make the revolution right now so that we’d get on to those conversations,” and it seemed to a lot of people, starting about 10 years ago maybe in the United States among insurrectional currents of anarchism that that was a thing that people were tending towards, but I don’t think that there was actually a split in the United States, thankfully, I think there are people who have that perspective but usually they get put in their place by other people pretty fast. </b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>They get called manarchists, and then internet videos are made about them and they are made fun of in public and then they don’t want to be that person anymore, hopefully.</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “The difference is you don’t have such developed fascists, do you?”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: No. </b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>I mean we have a lot of far-right leaning groupings in the United States, some of which are para-military such as militias, or the KKK, though they’re not very big anymore, there are large pockets of neo-nazi subcurrents, but for the most part these groupings are at the political fringes, and the mainstream of America would not listen to them, although there have been large upsurges in anti-immigrant perspectives over the last 10 years that have led to armed groups on the border with Mexico for instance that have been deputized in certain states. In a way that kind of reflects from what I understand the Kozaks as an armed civilian militia that’s trained and armed by the state in Russia?</b><b> </b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>But, yeah, the integration of rasist and fascist elements, as (openly) fascists is not really a thing although people make the argument that the United States is a fascist State it’s definitely not Mussolini’s Italy and definitely not Hitler’s Germany. </b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “We have an additional pressure from the right and more people just tend to confuse these things. You know, all these things are against the power, against the government and, yeah, (they are like), “I’m too lazy to read anything about it yeah, so I should go into the street, and not even go into the street, but merely go into the gym.” There is a (Denys told Revolution News that this is a true story) joke, (about) the Kyiv manarchist (and it goes), “The day before yesterday they’ve issued a call of unity among the Kyiv left in the face of the Euromaidan like<b> “</b>We should be united and go together and do something social to raise some social issues and so on, but that call for unity contained one note: that if we see people with a black violet flag they would be considered provocateurs and all the necessary measures will be upon them.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: And black and violet being the color spectrum from the anarcha-feminist?</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: Yeah, right.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: To bring you back to the protests initially as it is the Euromaidan began November 21st with 2000 people gathered in occupying Kyiv’s Maidan, it is the Independence’s square, right?</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: Yeah.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: And Maidan means square? </b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: Yeah.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio:  Can you talk briefly about the Orange revolution and the comparisons that have been made between the protests that are going on right now and the scale of these protests and maybe the lack of scale in the demands of the people on the streets?</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>And compare that to the Orange revolution?</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “Well, one thing which was prominent in the Orange revolution events was (the focus) on one person.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Everybody was shouting, “Yushchenko” the name of the candidate for the presidential position and at that time all the left were criticizing the Orange revolution for this, (because) they did not pay any attention to other vital problems, they just shouted “Yushchenko” and they thought that he was the Messiah who’d get things done.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">But today they don’t have even this and still they don’t pay any attention to the bread and butter issues. Large masses of people just have the illusion about the fairytale of Europe, which they want to join, like personally. And nobody says anything about the actual content of that (EU) Association Agreement.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Yes, now the mobilization of what I understand is already larger than in 2004 events, so potentially the opposition holds a vast resource, but the problem is they don’t really know how to use it.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">We can read in the interviews of their politicians who took part in the Orange revolution, at that time, (how) the politicians controlled the crowd much more tightly.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">For example, one politician recently gave an interview, and he said, “Do you know why at that time the euromaidan was entirely orange and now they have different flags of different colors? Well, that’s not a coincidence. It’s just because everyday (back in 2004) we brought there 300 fresh orange flags.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">They’ve controlled the crowd, they were giving them the flags and doing their organisational work more efficiently than now. Today the parliamentary opposition was just responding to a spontaneous mobilization, they did not order it and then they just did not know what to do, in the first few days. In this situation, then, again, the most prepared party turned out to be the Svoboda. Which is the only party that has its own rank and file activists, who can do things in the field. So they get the most benefit as for today, as it looks now.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio:  How has the media in Ukraine dealt with, interacted with the Euromaidan movement and what is the ownership structure like with the media in Ukraine. What sort of influences do different stations have?</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: Oh it’s a very interesting story because in 2004, during the Orange revolution, all the media were heavily censored in that regard and all the people were watching Channel 5. (This) was the only TV channel (broadcasting) all these events, because its owner was Petro Poroshenko, an opposition politician. Today the ownership structure is not any better for the opposition, but still all the main TV channels and generally all the main mass media are covering the story very closely. When it was that bloody crackdown all the main channels belonging to the richest oligarchs covered it almost live, showing these riot police beating up people and saying how awful this is and so on and so on.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">This shows that the owners of the media are really not happy themselves with the current president, and this was a big news for most Ukrainians as well. Because there is a popular (belief) that all the oligarchs are behind the (current) president, but, as we can see now, recently, the business advisers of the Ukrainian President Yanukovych have really irritated the media moguls, who are the owners of large portions of the Ukrainian GDP. They are not really happy about the president’s family doing things they should not do with their business.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio:  Talk about the group that you’re with, or the organisation. </b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “It was founded two years ago, and it’s still not super big. But I would say that we really have had some development in quality as well as in quantity, because today we have two local (branches), one in Kyiv and one in Harkov – (this is) the second largest industrial city in Ukraine.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">We have about 20-25 people in Kyiv and maybe like 15 people in Harkov.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">These are not astronomical figures, but they are larger than they have been initially and I think we are growing. We see ourselves not as a political propaganda group, more as a class union.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">We are guided by the revolutionary syndicalism principles, although lately our group is becoming more and more just anarcho-syndicalist. Earlier we had some trotskysts and some marxists but now I think that most of them are already anarchists.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">But unfortunately we still don’t have any workplace organisations, because, according to the Ukrainian law, you must have at least 3 people at every local workplace. We have people from different areas who often don’t work anywhere officially at all, like seasonal workers or construction workers and so on.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">That’s the problem and today we function in actuality more like a propaganda group, although we want to be an actual union more like IWW, that’s the model we look up to.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio:  For any listeners who are not familiar with anarcho-syndicalism, would you lay that down, briefly, and how it compares and differs from revolutionary syndicalism?</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “Syndicalism as a method (stands for the) negation  of parties and parliamentary politics, as an instrument of reaching any political goals. The main accent is laid on direct action instruments, such as strikes, demonstrations, occupations and so on.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The main issue of syndicalism per se is the strategy, which lies in connecting the political and economical struggle in the struggle of syndicates, of unions.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">So, unlike trade unionism, the labor movement, or laborism like in Britain, syndicalists believe that unions should pursue political goals together with the economical goals, they should fight, for example, for high wages and together they should keep in their mind that they are fighting eventually for communism, for the downfall of capitalism.  In the syndicalist theory, this is called revolutionary gymnastics.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio:  I’ve never heard that phrase before.</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “The revolutionary gymnastics is everyday struggle for similar reformist things which at the same time develops the muscles of the working class. After these struggles, the workers come out of them more organized and higher level of class conscience.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">During strikes and demonstrations, the working class consolidates and sort of trains itself for class battles, and for more important and more vital political battles which will come.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The revolutionary syndicalism unites basically any left anti-capitalist, while anarcho-syndicalism also implies that all the members of the movement share anarchist views.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Personally, I don’t think that anarcho-syndicalism is contradictory in any way to other forms of social anarchism.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Anarcho-synthesism is a school of thought which combines anarcho-communism as an ideal, anarcho-syndicalism as a method of reaching that ideal and anarcho-individualism as a base from which you evaluate your actions.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: Criticism that people might come up with is that it’s difficult to keep doing reformist work in the short-term even though it can get you better working conditions or less repression from the state, and keeping an eye towards conducting a revolution or not, just buying into the system you have to make better. </b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Is that the criticism that you hear?</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “Well, our answer today is putting forward unrealistic demands. For example, one of our program’s points is to demand the lowering of the retirement age for men and women equally to 50 years, making longer the yearly vacations (pensions), and shortening the working hours to 35 hours a week.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">These demands are postulated in the social context in which the government tries to raise the pension age and (increase) the working hours.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">But still it does not look as utopian to most people because they can sympathise with this – everybody wants to have longer vacation. This helps us to get in a situation, into a zone where our demands are not considered some lunacy while at the same time obviously if our government would try to make them real any government would collapse.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Another example is our current campaign for free communal transport in Kyiv.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">It was a response to the Kyiv government’s decision to raise the price of metro and buses (fares) (by) 50 percent. Nobody is willing to protest, the left groups who want to capitalize on this they just say, you know, the regular stuff, “We are against the raising of the tarifs, we don’t see it as a necessary step.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">I think our tactic was better because we put forward the offensive demands, not the defensive ones. We said, “Actually, we want free transit.” And here is the budget of the Kyiv government and we can see that here and here are the money which can be redirected and spent so that it can grant all the inhabitants of this city free transit.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Of course, this demand is still “unrealistic” in terms of real politics.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">But it creates some space where you can be revolutionary and reformist at the same time.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio:  Your explanations have reminded me of the IWW’s push for the 4 hour work day, which they’ve played with for a long time. It’s like you say that to someone and they say, “That’s totally unrealistic, it’s not going to happen.” But then you break down the numbers and if everyone was actually working and profit would be redistributed in a certain way then that could work and that begs the question of what’s wrong with the system that makes us have to work so much.</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>How can anyone of the listeners outside of Ukraine support the work of the Autonomous Workers’ Union and support the people struggling against the EU and the Ukrainian government and Russian intersession.</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: “I think the most useful thing would be to actually do what you’re doing now – to try to dispel the myths about our current situation because as far as I can understand most of the anarchists in the Western countries are just super optimistic about the protests, they see it as the right path to the EU and (they think) we shall overcome. But, as I’ve tried to explain, the situation is not that simple, so I think first and foremost everybody should try to learn as much they can about every other struggle in the world. This is what I’ve tried to do and of course it’s not an original answer but the international solidarity can help. We know from our own experience that when some groups from other country stage solidarity protests however small it can be and it is very helpful. Our group has also staged lots of actions, demonstrations in solidarity with Greek comrades, Polish comrades and not only it raised up spirits, but it is a useful thing for building up networks and organisational cooperation. There is a thing called Red and Black coordination, I think it only unites Western Europeans in libertarian movements, but still it is potentially very useful and our union I think it’s going to join, by the way.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">It would be good just to start communicating with each other directly and seeing the needs of each other.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio: You yourself just got back from a solidarity protest. Can you talk about that cause I was not aware of this massacre either. </b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: Two years ago, in 2011, all workers in several oilfields in Kazakhstan staged a strike. Their first demands were just higher wages and better working conditions. But after they were totally ignored by the government and by the employer, they were radicalized by the local trots and they’ve started organizing a national network of militant collectives, demanding the nationalization of the whole oil industry and the workers’ control, and putting forward some political demands as well. Anyway they were still largely ignored until August after their strike has lasted for half a year, the government started repressing them. First they’ve beaten up some activists, they’ve locked up behind bars the woman who had given them legal advice, but still they were holding on the main square of Zhanaozen, which is a small workers’ town, in the West of Kazakhstan. But on december 16th there was a huge celebration of Kazakhstan’s independence day. And exactly on that day the strikers were <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhanaozen_massacre">attacked</a> by a group of thugs obviously financed by the governor of that region who opened fire on the crowd. And 17 people were dead, several dozens were injured. That’s the perfect example of the unity of the capital and the state. If an anarchist wanted to talk about how the capitalists and the state support each other there can be no greater example in the recent history.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Especially since it was the main state holiday, Independence day.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">After that the government started closing even the liberal media and repressing even the established bourgeois opposition. (<a href="http://exiledonline.com/the-massacre-everyone-ignored-70-striking-oil-workers-killed-in-kazakhstan-by-us-supported-dictator/">more</a> on the massacre)</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Also this massacre was just the starting point for the Kazakhstan’s regime to turn into something much more brutal than it was before that. Also in the sphere of workers’ rights just recently the Kazakh government has come up with new proposals. They want to ban all the independent trade unions, so if you have a union cell in a factory, this cell should be controlled and governed by the National Federation of Trade Unions, the relic from the Soviet state, which is obviously heavily controlled by the government. If you don’t have any relations to that federation, your union is just illegal.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The other “great” initiative is that they want to raise the pension age again for women to make it 63 years, and to put a legal ceiling on the wages – not of top managers, but on the wages of relatively well off working people in such sectors such as oil and gas, where the wages are on average higher than in other sectors.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">And the funny thing, but of course nobody cares in the West about it, no capitalist democracy can be bothered by this at all, the Kazakh state owns companies that are listed (at the western stock exchanges, like the London SE).</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">and they have huge success on the stock markets, then again it shows that there’s no big difference between the capitalism in the West and the capitalism in the former second world, because this point is often made by liberal experts here in Ukraine. They say something like, “You have a wild capitalism in Ukraine, but somewhere in the realms of Western paradise there is a true humanist capitalism.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">As you can see this is all the global unified system.”</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Asheville Fm radio:  If people want to learn more about you what website should we send them to?</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Denys: It’s <a href="http://avtonomia.net/">avtonomia.net</a>.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://avtonomia.net/">http://avtonomia.net/</a></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">More reading: <a href="http://revolution-news.com/ukrainian-euromaidan-solution-putin-just-another-fascist-political-coup/">Euromaidan: The solution to Putin, or another fascist political coup?</a></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Other earlier interesting interview of Dennys:</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://pratelekomunizace.wordpress.com/2014/02/19/maidan-and-its-contradictions-interview-with-a-ukrainian-revolutionary-syndicalist/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">http://pratelekomunizace.wordpress.com/2014/02/19/maidan-and-its-contradictions-interview-with-a-ukrainian-revolutionary-syndicalist/ </a></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">For those interested in listening to archived episodes from <a href="http://www.ashevillefm.org/">Asheville Fm radio</a>, check them<br />
out at <a href="http://revolution-news.com/ukrainian-anarchist-dispels-myths-surrounding-euromaidan-protests-warns-of-fascist-influence/thefinalstrawradio.noblogs.org">thefinalstrawradio.noblogs.org</a>. You can contact them with<br />
content suggestions at thefinalstrawradio@riseup.net</span></span></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>The far-right in Ukraine are acting as&#160; the vanguard of a protest&#160; movement that is being reported&#160; as pro-democracy. The situation on the ground&#160; is not as simple as pro-EU and trade&#160; versus pro-Putin and Russian hegemony&#160; in the region. When US Senator John McCain dined with Ukraine&#8217;s&#160; opposition leaders in December, he shared&#160; a table and later a stage with the leader&#160; of the extreme far-right Svoboda party&#160; Oleh Tyahnybok. This is Oleh Tyahnybok, he has claimed&#160; a &#8220;Moscow-Jewish mafia&#8221; rule Ukraine&#160; and that &#8220;Germans, Kikes and other scum&#8221;&#160; want to &#8220;take away our Ukrainian state.&#8221; This is the</p>
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<div><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The far-right in Ukraine are acting as&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">the  vanguard of a protest&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">movement that is being reported&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">as pro-democracy.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The situation on the ground&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">is not as simple as pro-EU and trade&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">versus  pro-Putin and Russian hegemony&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">in the region.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" alt="" class="bb-image" src="https://voidnetwork.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/TD6Nory.jpg" width="400" height="225"></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">When US Senator John McCain dined with Ukraine&#8217;s&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">opposition leaders  in December, he shared&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">a table and later a stage with the leader&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">of the  extreme far-right Svoboda party&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Oleh Tyahnybok.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" alt="" class="bb-image" src="https://voidnetwork.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/s0sR7dL.jpg" width="400" height="266"></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">This is Oleh Tyahnybok, he has claimed&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">a &#8220;Moscow-Jewish mafia&#8221; rule  Ukraine&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">and that &#8220;Germans, Kikes and other scum&#8221;&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">want to &#8220;take away our  Ukrainian state.&#8221;</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" alt="" class="bb-image" src="https://voidnetwork.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/IuvqJLF.jpg" width="400" height="300"></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">This is the party&#8217;s logo, it can be seen on&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">flag throughout the crowds in Kiev every day.&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Svoboda is Ukraine’s fourth biggest&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">party holding 36 seats out of 450  in parliament.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">&nbsp;They&#8217;re also part of the&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Alliance of European National  Movements along&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">with the BNP and Jobbik.&nbsp;</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" alt="" class="bb-image" src="https://voidnetwork.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/bTxx3wJ.jpg" width="160" height="320"></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">This is their old logo, a Wolfsangel rune,&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">a common symbol for European neo-Nazi&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">organizations. It was also the symbol&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">of the Patriots of Ukraine,</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">a paramilitary organisation that Svoboda&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">went hand in hand with until 2004.&nbsp;</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" alt="" class="bb-image" src="https://voidnetwork.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/BzO7Jvh.jpg" width="400" height="225">&nbsp;</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">A typical crowd shot of Kiev&#8217;s protests,&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Svoboda and their fellow travellers have been&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">present throughout the protests.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" alt="" class="bb-image" src="https://voidnetwork.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/5pHagsg.jpg" width="400" height="265">&nbsp;</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Here we see a battalion of Patriots of Ukraine&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">paramilitaries tooled up in the midst&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">of the protests.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" alt="" class="bb-image" src="https://voidnetwork.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/JuWnLV0.jpg" width="400" height="300">&nbsp;</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Pro-EU protesters took over the town hall,&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">we learned from&nbsp; international news reports&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">in December, demanding the government resign.&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">While it is a broad movement,&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">mainly of the right, it&#8217;s hard to see&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">a  BNP or Golden Dawn led takeover&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">of a town hall getting quite the same  publicity.&nbsp;</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" alt="" class="bb-image" src="https://voidnetwork.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/zaGRzDl.jpg" width="400" height="300">&nbsp;</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Here a white power flag takes pride of place&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">centre stage, black&nbsp; circle with a plus sign&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">through it. You can always check the top&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">of  stormfront.org if you don&#8217;t buy it.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" alt="" class="bb-image" src="https://voidnetwork.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Rm4yrSO.jpg" width="400" height="266">&nbsp;</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Here protesters clash with riot police, one&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">carries a homemade&nbsp; shield painted with&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">a white power symbol and the numbers&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">14 and 88. These numbers are common&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">neo-Nazi slogans;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">with 14 standing for David  Lane&#8217;s slogan&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">(We must secure the existence of our people&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">and a future  for White Children) and 88&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">as code for HH, or Heil Hitler.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" alt="" class="bb-image" src="https://voidnetwork.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ihsZio2.jpg" width="400" height="283"></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Patriots burn flags, while white power flags&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">are flown throughout the  crowd.&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">In almost every action shot from these protests&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">far-right  symbols are clearly visible.&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">National socialist group Wotan Jugend&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">has described the experience  they are gaining&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">from the protests; &#8220;Leaderless resistance.&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">What is  happening now in Kiev &#8211; is a lesson,&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">a lesson to all those who so  eagerly watching&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">national revolution taking place in Ukraine,&nbsp;</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">blowing  drool with envy at the keyboard.&#8221;&nbsp;</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: italic;">Originally posted on <a href="http://imgur.com/a/1ghhi/">imgur.com</a></span></span></span></p>
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